Curse

Angelina Collins · Apr 26, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

heres an idea, why not just shut down the GW servers forever, no more GW, that would be a good nerf.

ursans Blessing is fine the way it is, and all those who complain about it are the people who cause Anet to abandon Gw in the first place and start GW2 which after the first month upon release will be a big failure also.

stop crying for a nerf and create a non ursan guild, then play with your friends, if you have any. I wonder sometimes.

Star Gazer · Apr 26, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

i obtained legendary vanquisher and legendary guardian with ursan. thanks ursan for being the light of my guild war days!!

seandom · Apr 26, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Stop it with all the Ursan threads. If they haven't nerfed it by now there has to be a reason for it.

The Reason: It gives players a chance to play with ALL characters in PvE, and not just the same old cookiecutter Tank/Nuker/Monk builds over an over again that people imposed on all Elite areas. It gives the casual player an opportunity to play with his/her favorite character.

Rene Saliere · Apr 27, 2008, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Of course OP is correct - ignore these noob trolls who wouldn't know a good old school team build if it was squeezed out onto their franchise hamburger and would you like fries with that?

Ursan's Blessing was designed to make all GW PvE content so stupidly easy that your newly ordered Guild Wars(TM) Charr Plushie could probably complete Defeat Mallyx (if they had the patience to farm R8/R10 LB/UB - which they probably wouldn't - Plushies are known for their impatience regarding Rank farming).

Why? MONEY.

Guild Wars is a dead game - no future revenues from this game - only costs. Costs of maintenance, bug fixes, and servers. But in this bleak and deficit-ridden future no one is buying software. Or Plushies for that matter.

SO... they invent 'Make Everyone Who Hasn't Achieved PvE Yet A God.' Or, MEWHAPYAG as I call it. Well, I don't actually, but isn't it neato that you can actually make a word out of those words' first letters?

Once everyone is a God, via the MEWHAPYAG therapy they will complete all they want to complete in GW and be ready to buy GW2.

Of course ursanway is about as exciting as watching paint dry on your punked up Charr Plushie, especially after farming to R10 (and you thought the LB runs were bad!), but for both novice players and the extremely easily amused, (I hesitate to use words like retarded or moronic), maybe replacing every skill in the GW universe with UB and Healer's Boon makes for really fun times?

As for the veterans - you know the ones with skills and knowledge and maybe even loyalty to the old game - well they are just dead wood. They already bought the game and are of no further use. Some of them are checking out WoW and realising persistent instances will make GW2 a WoW clone atmosphere wise. They certainly aren't buying Charr Plushies anymore.

Thus, Ursan's Blessing will never be nerfed - 'It's the [real world] economy, stupid!' - and, before I forget, do you want those fries Supersized?

Q.E.D.

This soundtrack to this post was 'That's Entertainment' by The Jam.

Oh, /signed (hopelessly) - I can't wait to spam QQ m04r Urs4n5!!!111 Anet knows best! on the 'WHY DID THEY NERF URSAN' threads.

You Look Grim · Apr 27, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

What's with everyone and this skill?

Drelias Melaku · Apr 27, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Rene Saliere

They certainly aren't buying Charr Plushies anymore.

I want a Charr Plushie! That would be adorable.

Anyway, /signed

I miss people searching for SS or MM instead of Ursan... There's not much left in PvE if you don't want to run Ursan.

Day Trooper · Apr 27, 2008, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by You Look Grim

What's with everyone and this skill?

Actually, your question pretty much answers you question! Everyone (well, not everyone, but the clear majority of PUGGERS nowawadays) only want to use the 6 UB / 2 HB monks template (oh, and can't forget the consumables

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What's with everyone and this skill? I'd like to know as well

The problem is UB is grossly overpowered, and too many peeps now only want to run it and nothing else for EVERY SINGLE THING they do. Want to pug FoW or DoA? Better have r10 Norn and r8 Lighbringer - 'oh you don't? Beat in n00b!' And while I have both titles maxed, I can't bring myself to c-space and mash 1, 2 for the remainder of my stay in GW. Heck, one time we did a GWEN dungeon with 2 Ursans and it just made things waaay too easy (e.g. the previous need for Frozen Soil so the enemies don't rez each other is no longer necessary with teddy bears kd'ing everything in sight).

Now for some peeps that makes for a 'good time', but certainly not for me as I get no satisfaction out of butchering previously challenging areas with the game's 'ultimate cheat-code'.

Hopefully this answers your question

Shai Lee · Apr 27, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

@milan
I understood that you were being sarcastic. :P I had similar thoughts when the OP suggested that something be limited to a specific area. If players have the campaign, I don't see the problem with using Ursan in other areas.

I agree with Maria the Princess' post, whole heartedly. While I personally don't use Ursan, I do recognize the usefulness of it for the less favored professions. In most elite areas, groups wouldn't even consider taking a sin or mesmer into the group. Now with Ursan, they at least have a chance of being accepted into a group that's going to an elite area, they need statues for the HoM too. Why should they rely on the kindness/pity/friendship of their guild, as opposed to being able to PuG it if they want? Also Ursan is useful for those players that don't have 4 hrs to invest in clearing FoW/UW in one sitting due to real life responsibilities.

You can't see me · Apr 27, 2008, 07:16 PM // 19:16

A few things here.

1. /Facepalm for Ursan Thread.
2. Bad idea, no other skills are limited to territories.
3. /Not Signed.
4. /+1 Before Needed Lock.

Angelina Collins · Apr 27, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45

every player who complains that ursans is overpowered are the same players who will kick you from there party if you make one mistake or use the wrong skill at the wrong time. Screw you losers, you make the game suck for all, and now that there is a way to tell you to go to hell, namely ursans Blessing, you cry and bitch that it is no fair and overpowered, well to damn bad. You are a bunch of eletist scum, and nothing, I mean nothing you say will change that, period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

El Presidente · Apr 27, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

A few things here.

1. /Facepalm for Ursan Thread.
2. Bad idea, no other skills are limited to territories.
3. /Not Signed.
4. /+1 Before Needed Lock.

/agree with the above; 'nuf said...

wilderness · Apr 27, 2008, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

while i agree with most of you that running uB in 100% of areas is boring and challenge in PVE would be nice to have again, imo the reason that UB is there is to give the unwanted in PUGS classes the ablility to do elite areas that were not accesible to them at 1st. with the whole HOM statue deal, if my main would be an assasin, that character would never be able to have any ofteh following states:

FOW
UW
DOA
Deep
Urgoz

and while most dungeons can be beat with heros+henchies or 2 people with heros, some dungeons such as Dunkan, Frostmaw on HM etc need actual people to be there. Sure now everyone will say "you n00b i beat dunkan HM and UW clear HM with henchies" but dont forget not everyone who plays this game is an impeccable pro at it.

since you cannot hench/hero those, and not everyone is lucky enouth to have a guild group that is into all those things, some people have been in their guilds since day 1, made good friends, enjoy GC etc, and it is not HOM that will make them quit it and join strangers that might not even be willing to take an assasin in the DOA.

UB lets people who like their main characters have access to places where previously only the "holy trinity" were accepted. If Anet really intends to give a bonus to people with a complete HOM in GW2, the UB is the only way how classes such as Assasins, Dervishes, Mesmers and even Ritualists would be able to have those monuments in their HOM and really, just do Elite areas.

As example, my friend's main character is a masmer, he would not want to play his Monk or Necro in a place where his mesmer needs his monument from because he only enjoys playing mesmer, and wants to have access to those areas on his favorite character. Most of those areas are not PUGable since the henchies cannot have the correct builds, are too low level or are not even present in outpust. and after all he would probably get really bored of the game if he had to play all alone all the time and would end up quitting. He wants his mesmer to have all those areas finished, Why not?

I think I agree with all of this, I skimmed it though (like the thread) so who knows...

mage767 · Apr 27, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Bah, Ursans should only be limited to Norn areas,

UNLESS..

They purchase a Ursan Scroll, that grants them them to use Ursan outside Norn areas, and especially in PvE elite areas.

The Ursan Scroll is an item that can only obtained from bosses in both HM and NM, and should cost like 500g from scroll trader if needed. This will replace one skill slot, which the player will decide upon activation.

ALSO...

The player must howl like a bear and sacrifice 1 pint of blood...or else the scroll won't work.../sarcasm

sir fluffums · Apr 27, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

really, your complaining is because your jealous of its pwnage. i bet you all wish you could do that in real life. stop complaing or go play WoW.
(the place where everything is cheap)

milan · Apr 27, 2008, 08:35 PM // 20:35

Hell...

To the people who throw tantrums in both this string and others like it, sit back and take a deep breath and repeat after me

It's a game, it's not real life, what I do in guild wars will not make me rich, powerful, popular or attractive to the opposite sex.

wilderness · Apr 27, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by milan

...what I do in guild wars will not make me rich, powerful, popular or attractive to the opposite sex.

How about the same sex?

Likelytodie · Apr 27, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

If you dont want to use Ursan thats fine, but the fact that people are using Ursan is not affecting you very much if you arent...so...whats the problem?

/notsigned

Rene Saliere · Apr 27, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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If you dont want to use Ursan thats fine, but the fact that people are using Ursan is not affecting you very much if you arent...so...whats the problem?

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It's been said so many times before, if you don't like ursan don't use it ....

Well for a start, the only pugs available are ursans. So that's a direct effect. See 1) below.

Another effect is that pre-ursanway PvE achievements like titles are rendered less worthy than before. See 4) below.

But most of all the problem with the above quoted argument is this: Any super-skill can be justified this way - no matter how unbalanced or ridiculous it is. Would these posters feel the same way if UB was doubled or quadrupled in power?

Other effects are bound to be as numerous as there are players who dislike ursanway.

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imo the reason that UB is there is to give the unwanted in PUGS classes the ablility to do elite areas that were not accesible to them at 1st. with the whole HOM statue deal

Regarding the shoddy argument that certain areas are now open for sins and mesmers or what have you - um a few points:

1) Now those areas are only open for ursans. That's a lot less options than there were before not more:

* No more tanks
* No more nukers/spikers/interruptors
* No more support

There's a big difference between the theory and practice of this "look there's just more options now!" nonsense. And before anyone says you can still have these and ursans, why? Ursanway is the fastest and easiest. People will always choose the easiest way. Think in terms of fat, salt and sugar and you're on the right track.

2) It takes about 1 week or less to get a new character to 20 - and about the same for R10 norn. So you make what the elite area needs...

3) When you are 'playing' your sin or mesmer as an ursan, you are not really playing your sin or mesmer are you? You're playing the ursan skillbar. If you were really serious about wanting to take your [insert specific profession here] to [insert elite area here] you'd play them as they are with ingame friends.

4) If you are an assassin or mesmer or any 'difficult' profession and gain PvE titles all strength to you. If you ursanway'ed them... they are meaningless no matter what profession you are. I haven't made a big point of this before, but when you've agonised over builds for HM missions for 3 campaigns pre-ursanway you feel a bit robbed in the post-ursanway environment.

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You are a bunch of eletist scum, and nothing, I mean nothing you say will change that, period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*elitist scum not 'eletist', and why are you putting exclaimation marks after you spelled out 'period'?

Q.E.D Ursans... Why am i still surprised at the dumb arguments that are put forward to support such an obviously dumb skill?

I Can Cure Cancer · Apr 27, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

It's been said so many times before, if you don't like ursan don't use it ....

Likelytodie · Apr 27, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

First off, I didn't say it didn't effect you at all.

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Well for a start, the only pugs available are ursans.

Not 100% true honestly, maybe for HM dungeons etc, but if you wanna play in a group thats not Ursan, I wouldn't recommend pugging...

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Another effect is that pre-ursanway PvE achievements like titles are rendered less worthy than before.

Titles didn't mean much (if anything) to begin with.

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1) Now those areas are only open for ursans. That's a lot less options than there were before not more. There's a big difference between the theory and practice of this "look there's just more options now!" nonsense.

There weren't many options before, people usually ran that exact same bars every time they did elite missions etc. Generaly in Urgoz, DoA, etc people ran builds that had been proven to work, and if you weren't the correct profession with the correct build, then you weren't welcome. Now, it's kept it limited to the "you must have this build" but given you access to it on any profession.

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2) It takes about 1 week or less to get a new character to 20 - and about the same for R10 norn. So you make what the elite area needs...

Complaining about it taking more time really does not interest me. R10 norn can be reached in a day if you really want it, it's not that difficult, trust me.

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3) When you are 'playing' your sin or mesmer as an ursan, you are not really playing your sin or mesmer are you? You're playing the ursan skillbar. If you were really serious about wanting to take your [insert specific profession here] to [insert elite area here] you'd play them as they are with ingame friends.

If someone had made a sin/mesmer as a title character, why wouldn't they want to bring it to an elite area? Gotta fill up that HoM somehow, and honestly most people (friends or not) for whatever reason don't like to play with sins, mesmers, or a few other classes, and giving them a way to get into groups hasn't hurt people who made a sin/mesmer title character, and I dont see the problem in that.

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Why am i still surprised at the dumb arguments that are put forward to support such an obviously dumb skill?

I don't understand why people argue to nerf a skill they don't have to use. You said it yourself, if you wanna play a normal bar, play with friends.